Oval-end handle, large drop, feathered script mono R M in brightcut cartouche on front; 5-1/4", nice condition. Mark is J:B, which we have attributed, after long struggle, to Barton.
Oval end, slashed drop, script mono Walgrove on front; 15-1/4" long; 3-5/8" round bowl. Mark -- W. Forbes -- is a rare one, but well documented in Belden.